During the last 10 years, I've started 7 businesses and sold 3 and closed down 2, wrote 2 ebooks, spoke at more than 10 conferences, participated in more than 100 webinars, online trainings, telesummits & podcast interviews, traveled to many beautiful places, had 3 children, moved 9 times, bought 3 homes and sold 2 of them, met a ton of amazing entrepreneurs, attended masterminds, built a team, wrote more than 200 blog posts, sent more than 1,200 emails to the Launch Grow Joy community, created and launched 6 online courses, helped more than 1,000 entrepreneurs get their products featured in the media, amassed a social media following of more 50,000 people and built an online community of more than 30,000!
Wow, not to toot my own horn, but I accomplished A LOT during this time! However, during my journey these past 10 years, there is one day that I will never forget!
I was in the middle of launching my course and I remember one day so clearly. I was at a business mastermind in Denver, a day after I had met with two entrepreneur friends to mastermind at the Four Seasons and two days after I went to another mastermind, also in Denver. I was in full mastermind mode and this was my third event in Denver that week.
Halfway through the third mastermind, I started to feel “off” and like something bad was about to happen to me.
At first, I tried to ignore it. I thought that if I didn't pay attention to it, it would just go away on its own. I started talking to the woman next to me, who had come all the way from Nova Scotia to be there. She was an interesting woman – a former nun who was now a business owner and who just arrived from a month-long silent meditation retreat. Her story was so interesting and I wanted to hear more about it, while at the same time trying to ignore this “off” feeling that I was experiencing.
The more I tried to ignore it, the stronger it got. It was almost like someone saying, “You're trying to ignore me, but it's not going to work. You're really good at ignoring things and marching on, but this time something is about to change and your ability to ignore things is no longer an option.”
At one point I felt so bad that I thought I was going to pass out. I excused myself, left the mastermind and got in my car with the intent to go home and just relax, hoping that this, too, shall pass. I barely remember the 70 mile drive back home, but I do remember calling my husband at the time and asking him to come pick me up because I didn't feel like it was safe for me to drive anymore. He hurried to come get me, brought me home and neither of us knew what was happening to me.
I couldn't quite explain what I was feeling – I just knew that I had a hard time focusing, my vision was blurry and I was panicked and exhausted. I spent the rest of that day relaxing on the couch, hoping that it will all pass and things will return to normal the next morning.
The next morning came and I felt a milder version of what I had felt the day before, but I was nowhere near feeling like my old energetic, bold, and “full of life” self. I immediately thought about going to my holistic doctor to get some tests done to try to figure out what was “wrong” with me. Something was off and I was determined to figure it out, fix it and get on with my life. I was really good at fixing things and moving on…
The next few weeks I spent either resting on the couch or going to doctor appointments, doing blood work, saliva testing, DNA testing, and every type of test you can imagine and trying to figure all of this out.
A few weeks turned into a month, a month turned into three, three into six, six into a year and then finally I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue. I had all the symptoms and, according to the experts, I was in Stage 4 of adrenal fatigue. If you know anything about that, Stage 4 is pretty severe and it takes about two years or more to recover.
I spent a whole year on my couch resting – I couldn't work, I couldn't take my kids to school, I couldn't shop for food, do yoga or go out on my daily walks… The couch became my best friend and, once in a while, I would turn on my computer to try to work, but five minutes into it I was dizzy and exhausted and had to lay down again.
It was THAT bad!
It felt like a bad dream that I couldn't wake up from. Every morning I thought, “OK, today is a new day. Today I am going to get my life back and get right back on track and pick up where I left off. TODAY is going to be the day that I feel normal again.”
But my body had other plans. And it was not at all in agreement with my mind.
My body wanted to rest, to recover, to be nourished, to just lay there and not think about work, not think about cooking, not think about walking… not think about ANYTHING at all.
Some people around me said that I looked “fine” and told me to just “snap out of it” and that it was all in my head. They told me that I needed to “push through it” and not give into it and just rise above it. If you know anything about adrenal fatigue, you know that asking someone to push through it is asking them to do the impossible. When your body literally can't move and when you stand up and it feels like all you want to do is lay down, there's not much you can push through, no matter how motivated you are! And I am one very motivated woman!
Most people, however, were very compassionate and understanding and offered to help, share resources and told me I could count on them for anything. To those true friends, online and offline, THANK YOU!
Needless to say, that year was a very transformative year for me and it continues to be so today.
As I was on my healing path, I would often hear people say, “There's a lesson in the pain,” but I just never got it or understood what they meant by that.
Until I started to really get it and something finally clicked.
Have you experienced anything similar to this?
Today I want to share with you 10 things that I did to heal from burnout and some very life-changing lessons that I learned along the way. I know there are other entrepreneurs who have experienced similar things, but I've noticed that no one really talks about it. As leaders and influencers (a role that I had no idea I would be taking on), we have to put up a front and show our strength because we have “followers,” “fans,” and people who are convinced that we can do it all.
Doing it all is possible, but only for a limited time and not without paying a price, whether it's your health, your relationships, your business or something else. For me, I lasted 10 years going all out, giving it my best and ignoring all the signs that were there. My body knew that I was doing too much – that it's impossible for any human being to do so much – without any serious consequences. But I pushed through it and I persevered – until I completely crashed!
Here are ten things I did to heal from entrepreneurial (and life) burnout
1. Said “NO”
The first thing I had to do was to say “NO” to everything. And I mean literally everything. Every podcast interview request, every speaking engagement request, EVERYTHING! I even said no to the Steve Harvey Show, to a request to be a keynote speaker, to partnerships, to more money, to friends asking to hang out, to visiting family, to vacations… I passed up over $500,000 in revenue and it was not easy! I said NO to it all.
Sometimes I felt relieved, sometimes I felt sad, other times I felt like I was drowning and would never come back up for air. I stopped checking my email for a few weeks because I felt like I was missing out on so many opportunities and I was so tired of saying NO. I probably lost some friends along the way (and I'm deeply sorry for that if you are one of those friends), but I couldn't possibly say yes to anything at that point.
2. Said “YES”
When this all happened I had a few people who were helping me with my business, but I was doing most of the work and basically running everything. It took me a few months to realize that I could no longer assume that role, but I still wanted to keep my business going. I hired a writer, another virtual assistant and a PR assistant who ran my business.
I had to let go and trust that they were going to do their best to keep this business going without a hitch. They did and I am so grateful for that. My assistant still runs most of the business now and I couldn't be happier and more grateful.
I also hired someone to clean my house. She's still with me today and investing in her was one of the best decisions that I have ever made. I started working with a life coach, a therapist, an intuitive guide and a nutritionist. I felt like I needed support and I did not want to go through this alone. I said YES to pre-made meals from like Pete's Paleo and 22 Days Nutrition, even though I love to cook. I said YES to everything that was saving me time and energy and it felt weird at first, but then that became my new normal.
3. Educated myself
At first, I spent hours on the internet trying to figure out what I could do to “fix” myself. This was the first time in my life that I was “sick” and the first time that I could not figure out how to fix things. In the beginning, I was exciting and I felt like I was in charge of my health, but after a few months, this became so overwhelming – there was so much conflicting information.
For every website that said to take licorice for adrenal fatigue, there was another website that said licorice is bad because it raises cortisol levels. One website said that I need to avoid animal protein and go all raw, another said that I need to eat meat and avoid all raw foods because those are harder on your digestion. One website said that I need to detox with infrared saunas, another said that I need to avoid infrared saunas at all costs. And on and on… I wasn't sure what to believe anymore and who was right.
4. Started using essential oils and natural remedies
I had been reading about essential oils throughout my research, but I was hesitant to try them because I didn't really know how to use them. I finally decided to jump all in and joined doTerra as an independent wellness advocate and purchased my essential oils starter kit. I felt a difference as soon as I started using the essential oils and, within a few months, I began to explore more blends and other essential oil companies. Three of my favorites are Vibrant Blue Oils (I love the Adrenal and Blood Sugar Support).
I now use essential oils for everything, including better sleep, more energy, calmness, focus, oil pulling, skincare and more. Not a day goes by when I'm not using my essential oils!
In addition to essential oils, I also used flower essences to balance my body and emotions. Flower essences are herbal infusions made from the flowering part of the plant and each infusion uniquely addresses emotional and mental aspects of wellness. My favorite ones are Cellular Harmony and Restore from Floracopeia. I also love Rescue Remedy.
5. Nurtured my body and mind
I prefer natural and alternative remedies, so I added acupuncture, Reiki, massage, lymph drainage, jin shin jyutsu, singing bowl therapy, infrared sauna (thinking of getting a Sunlighten sauna for my house), life coaching, yoga (when I'm not able to go to a yoga studio or the gym, I stream yoga classes from Gaia) and meditation (my favorite is Holosync).
I listened to my body when it wanted to rest, when it wanted to do yoga or when it wanted to go on a walk or hang out with a friend. It felt good to tune in to what my body needed and actually listen. I became a better listener because of that – listening to your body takes some getting used to and you have to REALLY listen to hear what it's telling you.
6. Adjusted my diet
I had been eating mostly organic and healthy foods, but trying to figure out what way of eating was best for healing adrenal fatigue was a different story. I learned about Paleo, Keto, vegan, rag vegan, vegetarian, Wildfit, FODMAP, and everything in between. After a few months, I became so overwhelmed with all the information out there and what the “right” way of eating was.
When my life coach asked me one day “What do you want to eat?” the first thing that came to mind was green juice. But when I searched “green juice and adrenal fatigue,” I learned that raw foods are not good for adrenal fatigue and raw spinach and kale can contribute to thyroid issues. Oh boy! What's a girl to do?
Trying to figure out what to eat was contributing even more to my stress, so I decided to join some online programs – Gut Thrive in 5 is my favorite. Some programs were very helpful and I still follow many of their guidelines today. Having access to ready-made meal plans and shopping lists took a lot of the overwhelm away.
7. Added supplements
I have never been a fan of supplements or vitamins – I usually tried to get all my nutrients from nutrient-dense foods, but I became open to the idea of adding supplements to my healing protocol. Some supplements helped (a few of my favorite brands are Global Healing, Banyan Botanicals and Calm), while others made me feel worse.
At one point I was taking so many supplements that I threw up and vowed that from that moment on I was going to listen to my body and ask it what supplements it needs, instead of taking everything that my doctor or a website or an online program recommended. I find that I usually can take supplements for about a month, then take a break, and then take them again.
8. Rested more
One of the main keys to my healing was allowing my body to rest more. Well, my body actually didn't give me a choice at first. When I tried to “push through it,” it gently reminded me that I had to rest. I spent almost a year resting, which was hard to do when you are running two businesses and have three young children.
Sometimes even when my body was resting, my mind was running at 1,000 miles per hour, trying to figure out what to eat, what book to read, what “hack” to implement next and what meditation was the right one. It took me a long time to learn how to rest my racing mind and meditation played a crucial part in that.
9. Let go
Letting go was the hardest thing for me to do. I had to let go of a lot of money and many partnerships and speaking engagements. I had to let go of fun nights out with friends, vacations, new course launches and more. Every time I let something go I felt deep sadness, but I knew that I was letting go for my health and for my happiness.
I even let my marriage go. I had known for a while that my marriage was no longer a good fit, but, in my mind, it was easier to stay together than to start over alone. At first, I tried everything to make it work, until I had no more energy to fight for it. Letting go and no longer fighting for my marriage was one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in my life, but looking back, it was necessary in order for me to start healing. I'll write another blog post about that at some point…
I also let go of physical possessions that were taking up space in my life. I went through my entire house (when I had the energy) and threw things away, donated things, and stopped buying so much “stuff.” All the stuff felt so “heavy” to me and with each item that I let go of, I found more lightness, more healing, more freedom. I'm even downsizing my house right now and looking for a smaller house to move into. I just don't need all this “stuff.”
10. Embraced and accepted the journey
I put this one last because this was the hardest step for me and it took me about a year and a half to realize. I'm still working on it, to be honest. I've had to embrace and accept all of it – letting go of controlling my business, letting go of my marriage, asking for help, loving my tired and exhausted body, not feeling “normal,” eating often to keep my blood sugar balanced, resting more than I ever thought possible, saying YES, saying NO, doing and not doing and everything in between.
They say that in order to heal you need to accept where you are currently at, be grateful for everything and appreciate that every moment, every struggle, is meant to help you evolve into a better human being. I'm finally there, a year and a half into my journey.
It hasn't been easy by any means and I'm not yet back to my previous energy levels. I still have some more healing to do, physically, emotionally and mentally. But I am so grateful that I have my own business because, to be honest, I would not have been able to hold down a job for this last year and a half. My team has been amazing and I could have never done this without them.
Sometimes there are detours in life and in business and these detours are often opportunities to evaluate what's working and what's not working and then take a different path. Detours allow you to face everything head-on, whether you want to or not. The path isn't always straight, although we sure do strive for that…
It's the ability to navigate detours that often gifts us with the greatest lessons in life.
I now understand what “There's a lesson in the pain” finally means. I GET IT and I couldn't be more excited!!!!!
If you've been a part of the Launch Grow Joy community for a while, THANK YOU for hanging there with me. It didn't feel right not to share my story with you. If you're new here, WELCOME – the future is bright!
Thanks for your candid revelations of your personal life. We often feel like we are alone in our suffering…sending you peace and ongoing stalling.
Thanks so much for reading, Mary!
andreea…what a welcome read this was as i could relate so much to all that you have been going through. my experience has many similarities and i most acutely relate to how you describe your public face and having to keep up appearances because of fans, friends etc…2 years ago i left my businesses to languish while i went out of state to care for my parents health. last year, after my father’s death and mother’s health stabilized i could see that i needed to put the focus back on me. if my businesses were to grow again i either had to take 2 steps back or quit and do something else all together. i decided to take the 2 steps back and rebuild but i can see that these 2 steps require 2 more back steps and so on…all of this leaves me with intense feelings of overwhelment as the tasks compound. thankfully i do have health but i notice my energy being so very low and drained. and sometimes just need to lay calmly doing nothing. i felt like i was burning out and in reading your post i can see it is quite possibly true. however, i am working with a wonderful coach/advisor specifically tasked with moving me forward in my business so even though i have had to rebuild so much and wish i was more successful she keeps telling me to stay focused in “the moment” and believe that is seeding my future good. thank you so much for sharing and holding up this personal mirror for us all to relate and cyberly hug and support one another! <3
Listening to your story gave me comfort as my story is almost identical to yours. Caring too much to the expense of my own wellbeing, marriage breakup, two boys to support who where angry & hurt, going to work on not much sleep, etc etc. When one day I could not stand up anymore, left work, that was almost a year ago. I went through all the emotional challengers of fighting my illness until I realised this is how I lived in the past & didn’t do me any good. I to felt sadness in letting go of my social life & work. However I’m a strongly beleive it was my Gardian Angel trying to tell me that if I kept going the way I was, there would be nothing left. I spent countless months not being able to walk much, even having a shower was exhausting. Having had Chronic Fatigue before I recognised all the signs, only this time it was way worse. However I think I can say I dont regret most of the journey ( I would like to be able to go for a walk ) but I’ve managed to turn adversity into an opportunity & finally get my business up and running. As I had to spend alot of time in bed or on the couch I used this time to create my products as this helped me to block out pain and give me something to look forward to. It wasnt until I stopped fighting & let go & accepted my situation that I improved. I’ve always been into Gratitude but had forgotten to practice for a while . I to cant yet work for somebody else however I dont want to, being my own boss has many positves, as I figure if I can clean my teeth I can make my herbal lip balms & body care products. Most of the business is done on the internet anyway. I have alot to be grateful for a beautiful life partener who I never would of met if the path was different, my boys are finally recovering & I’m learning to say no to draining situations. Gratitude is now my way of life ( I do still have some challengers, however I choose to focus on the good) most of the time. I figure that I can give my body & brain new messages. Thank You for sharing your story
Look after yourself, I am
Karen, thanks so much for sharing your story as well! So inspiring. Here’s to a great journey ahead!
As an entrepreneur and artist, I have been watching the podcasts and getting tons of inspiration and knowledge from Andreea. Again, Andreea has far-surpassed the bar for encouragement, knowledge, understanding and empathy for all of us who are seeking our own paths. This is an exceptional view of what it has felt like for me, personally, to continue to move forward. This entrepreneurial/artistic life is anything but easy and I appreciate so much all of what Andreea has brought to us in writing about her personal journey, as well as her incredible guidance and help with her company, Launch Grow Joy. I can relate to everything she has written about and this really hit home for me. So much insight, and I, myself, have great appreciation for all that she has shared with us. Here’s to Andreea for encouraging us and giving us the tools for believing in ourselves and following our dreams!
Thanks so much for your nice note, Renee! Yes, we often feel alone in this journey, but there are so many others who are going through similar things. My intent was to be transparent and to share what I’ve been through because this is often something that we entrepreneurs don’t talk about. Thanks for reading!
Andreea, you have helped me more than I can say in clarifying so many things to get my web-based business moving forward. I always feel so guilty making my bed into my desk sometimes, and I feel so much better knowing I’m not alone in needing to rest in between all of the gazillion tasks we all do! We all need to take good care of ourselves, and hearing it from a very accomplished entrepreneur like you makes me feel like it’s all OK! I look forward to moving forward with your media help in the near future. Take care of yourself and thanks again for all of your great insight and help.
Thanks so much, Renee!
Awe…Andrea, please take care. I’ve had some challenges with raising a two year old at age 42 and also running a super busy fine art business—I’m a workaholic, too, but it’s all so rewarding (until it isn’t…and I know that makes sense to a lot of people)…and keeping up the front that everything is normal when in fact there are days where I’m minimally working and keeping things ‘afloat’ in my business is a minor challenge compared to what you describe. And every week/month I’m able to work more and more as I love what I do…most of us entrepreneurs thrive on business. In now way is my situation as challenging as yours. I wish you all the best luck and will think good thoughts for you to find the balance that will restore energy. It’s all so tough, what you have said…and I really feel for what you and what you are going through. Light and peace to you.
Thanks, Jenny! I am definitely much better now 🙂
I feel with and for you Andreea. I wondered why you became so quiet and withdrawn online — now I know!
I went through the same thing back in 2007 – 2009! Not only did I have adrenal fatigue, but I was also loosing my ability to focus, remember and follow simple instructions. When Malcolm (my husband) convinced me to go to the doctor, they started treating me for early stages of Alzheimer’s disease. The meds helped some, but the real relief came when I was tested by a naturopathic doctor who discovered I was allergic to gluten and wheat and a bunch of other foods.
I was a traveling sales rep when the symptoms first started and I had no choice other than giving up traveling and cutting way back on the business I had created and loved. In retrospect, that was probably the best choice I ever made (other than giving up the offending foods).
Like you, it took me at least a year to recover from the damage done to my body. A strict regime of vitamins, minerals and supplements helped me heal. I still stay away from wheat and gluten grains, but have been able to ‘cure’ my body of the other food allergies. I am doing well, but know now to listen to my body.
Thankfully, my kids are all grown and gone, but the impact this had on me and my husband was tremendous! But, what did I do doing all that down time? I wrote my eguides on how to sell wholesale, work with sales reps and exhibit in trade shows.
So even good comes out of tragedy! Hang in their Andreea — we are all rooting for you!!
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Thanks so much for sharing your journey as well, Sandy! Glad you are better and recovering 🙂 When live gives you lemons, make lemonade, right? Glad you had the space to write your very useful eguides!
Thank you, Andrea, for sharing this intimate part of your life. I can totally relate, I went through the same journey. After pushing myself to the extreme, one day, I just could not get up from my bed. For me, facing a new day was more challenging than climbing the Everest. I was burnt mentally and physically.
I went to see my Md but after several tests that came back normal, she prescribed me an anti-depressant.
I knew that this prescription was not the solution, so I turned into holistic alternatives. I worked with a very knowledgeable naturopath ( who diagnosed and treated my adrenal fatigue) and a psychologist who dealt with the emotional part. After several months of treatments, today I can say that I am feeling better than ever.
In each pain, there is a lesson. My lesson is that health and family are everything and being healthy, is worth more millions! I learned to enjoy my life as is, rather than trying to chase more money, fame or recognition…
Unfortunately, people don’t know much about what it feels to be burnt out, in a society where we are programmed to work hard no matter what, lying on a bed for weeks is considered as a lack of will or even worse as laziness. I heard it so many times: ” It’s in your head,” ” You took one week off to rest, don’t you think it’s enough?” ” When are you coming back to normal?” and so on
I think we should talk more openly about entrepreneurs’ burn out in order to lift the guilt and shame that come with it. Talk and educate about the causes, the symptoms, and the solutions.
Once again thank you, Andrea, for the opportunity to share our stories in your blog. I do encourage every person who read this post to share her or his experience if they went through the challenges, it may make a difference in some one’s life.
Ps: Please excuse my English mistakes if there is any, I am French speaking person.
Thanks so much for your nice comment, Sissi and for sharing your journey as well! What you said is sooo true! Wishing you a speedy recover as well and take care of yourself!
My gosh….so this is what it’s called. Everything you described sounds like me. ::gulp::
Thank you for sharing. I had no idea.
Take care of yourself, Carol! Glad that my post helped you get closer to searching for solutions.
I can relate to your story, we think we can have it all, and we can … for a time. But something has to give ! Thank you for sharing your story, i wondered why you were so quiet… Healing vibes coming your way from the UK xxx
Rachel, thanks so much! Being quiet for a bit was necessary for me 🙂 Happy to be back…
Thank you so much for sharing your journey! I have been and still on a very similar one. It’s hard when you have so many things you want to do but your body can’t keep up. I’m really reconnecting with my body and loving her as much as I possibly can while also learning to work in a way that doesn’t wear her out too much. It’s a fine balance but it sounds like you’re getting there, too. Love to you for all you do!
That’s so great to hear, Emily! Thanks so much 🙂
Thank you for sharing this article and your journey. I, too, am at the point of exhaustion and trying to regain my health. I am 77 and from the old school of taking care of self is selfish…which my mind says that is ridiculous, but the old tapes really stick, don’t they?! I realize after reading your story that if I don’t begin, I am only going to get in more trouble with my health. I really appreciate that you had the courage to share this and the heart that you have to reach out to others, especially women.
Take care of yourself, Martha! Thanks so much for reading and wishing you a speedy recovery!!!!
Andrea, this is so refreshing. Thank you. I’m always reading and catching up with successful entrepreneurs and I often leave feeling more crappy about myself and where I’m at because I don’t “have it all together” like the people I’m following. But this post is EXACTLY what I needed to hear. We all start somewhere, we all have our struggles…and admist all that we can create deep learning and still be successful in our businesses. This post really calmed me down today.
So glad to hear that, Bree! It’s so easy to portray a certain image online or on social media… Glad to hear that this post was comforting for you and so many others!
Reading your story really touched me as I recall a time when my body almost put me out of commission. So happy to hear of your journey back to good health.
Thanks so much Regina! Hope you are doing well and feeling great, too!
Thank you for sharing your story, Andreea. It is important reminder to pay attention to our bodies and make our health a priority. I think many of us who are entrepreneurs are driven to push ourselves to our limit, and there are times we need to take a step back. I recently went through this while going through my first trimester of pregnancy while being the primary caregiver of my 3-year-old and trying to run my business. I basically had to stop doing most things for my business for several weeks, particularly on the days I was taking care of my daughter. It was tough to do, but I knew I needed to prioritize taking are of myself. Aside from the first 6 weeks my daughter was alive, it was the longest break I had taken from my business! I hope you continue to heal and feel better, and I truly appreciate you sharing your story.
Bev, thanks so much and I’m happy to hear that you are getting better as well!
You are such a beautiful person insight-out!
Ever since I came across you, a few years back now, you have inspired me and also taught me many skills about online entrepreneurship, marketing and business.
I am very grateful that you have given each of us so much of yourself, but I also feel saddened to hear how much this has cost you.
Health is the greatest asset there is, so please continue to look after yourself!
Thank you for sharing once more great insight with me / us.
Love & Appreciation,
Thanks so much, Naomi! I am so happy to hear that. I am getting better each day and have learned my lesson 🙂
As a writer, I have often turned to writing in times of stress, grief, confusion, and fear. The act of writing down what you’re feeling or experiencing is in and of itself therapeutic, though its not a “cure” for life and business challenges. I’m sorry that you had to go through such a rough time. I often feel overwhelmed with the pressure to make Clear Conscience Pet a respected and successful worldwide brand. Despite winning more awards thsn any other brand in the history of the pet care business (19 to date), I still feel like an inadequate unferachiever, all too often. Thanks for having the courage to tell your story. It’s a warning call to all of us as to what can happen when we forget that, after all, we’re ONLY HUMAN. Supermen and Superwomen are myths.
Thanks so much for your nice comment, Anthony! Isn’t it so crazy how we hold ourselves to such high standards, at any cost? Learning to be gentle to ourselves is key here…
Powerful – insightful and right on target! Keep up the good work and Happy Trails, Jo.